DISQUS

Finance Your Freedom: Why I Don’t Make Good Points Very Often

  • timbursch · 7 months ago
    Clay,
    Just started reading here. You're making a difference. Sounds like some good stuff came from good points and words. But I hear something bigger in your vision. Something revolutionary and outside the mainstream. We need those voices. I look forward to hearing more. Cheers!
  • Jim Dodge · 7 months ago
    So...don't write Jerry Maguire mission statements? :) heh! Clay, Without a doubt today is by far the best day of my life ever! I LITERALLY pinched myself (just like people say) because I really was afraid it was a dream and I'd wake up. I mean I have the marks to prove it. I'll "forum" about it for everyone. Just got off work (which I can now say will soon definitely be a thing of the past). Going on a run. Be back later.
  • Clay Collins · 7 months ago
    See... THIS is why I bust my ass. Jim you are awesome. Now take a look at that shit I sent you. You can totally increase your conversions. You're going to fucking kill it. Except that you already have.
  • CarlNelson · 7 months ago
    Thanks Clay! I personally think you make a good point by being authentic in your own right and doing what you think is important. Getting shit done that needs to get done. You also inspire people like myself to do likewise.
  • Clay Collins · 7 months ago
    Heh... thanks Carl. I'm probably going to get some shit about making good points in this point. Which would be understandable :-)
  • Clay Collins · 7 months ago
    P.S. Great meeting you yesterday. It's raining in Minneapolis today to you've been saved from that.
  • Michael Martine · 7 months ago
    Blog posts are the "meetings" of the interwebs: blather mistaken for action. Nothing worse than wasting time all day reading productivity blogs, ya know?

    Oh... except this blog post, of course. ;-)
  • Clay Collins · 7 months ago
    You crack me up dude.
  • Hunter Nuttall · 7 months ago
    Loved the P.S., and I was going to point that out, except you already did!

    I may be in the minority here (or maybe not), but I think the death of The Growing Life is tragic. Project Mojave seems to be a great thing, but there are millions of times more internet marketing systems than there are good point makers. The world needs revolutionaries more than yellow highlighters.

    Isn't there a happy medium? Isn't there a hint in this post?
  • Clay Collins · 7 months ago
    There is a happy medium. Stay tuned for it.

    That said, I'd like to respond to what you said. Perhaps it is true that "there are millions of times more internet marketing systems than there are good point makers." But is it also true that there are millions more point makers than there are *GENUINE* resources for liberating yourself that actually work. And that are created in the interest of VALUE GIVING and not some money getting scheme.

    You'd know what I mean if you saw project Mojave. You'd know what I mean if you saw the team of faculty members that's coming together to work on this. You'd know what I mean if you spoke to the 6+ people now who've been able to quit their day jobs. You'd know what I mean if you saw my mission statement for Project Mojave. And not only that . . .

    You'll KNOW what I mean when 6 months from now, Project Mojave has given away more free PREMIUM content than any other similar company. You'll know what I mean when you see the unsolicited video testimonials that people are sending in. You'll know what I mean when we release case studies about people liberating themselves based on the free material were giving out (just the free material alone . . . this is not a future aspiration, this is happening NOW).

    And you'd know what I mean if you saw the meetups that are happening. The accountability groups that are forming. The lives that are being changed.

    You'd know what I mean if you saw me working 16+ hours a day working on Project Mojave. You'd know what I mean if you saw that I was taking literally every cent from Project Mojave and re-investing back in the Project.

    There *are* millions of times more internet marketing systems than there are good point makers, but Project Mojave is not JUST an internet marketing system. Just asking anyone involved.

    And that's not internet marketing bullshit hype.

    --Clay
  • Hunter Nuttall · 7 months ago
    Sounds good, Clay. Looking forward to more!
  • Jonathan Mead · 7 months ago
    Good point Clay ;-]
  • Clay Collins · 7 months ago
    YOU'RE *that* guy.
  • Andy Fossett · 7 months ago
    This is so right-on for me.

    I spent a lot of years trying to make good points. I wanted to be insightful, clever, and right (I have no idea what that last one even means anymore). In gatherings, I would listen to what others were saying, process the major issues, and them chime in near the end with my brilliant point that "really just tied it all together." I felt like I was really showing people the solutions to all their problems.

    Everyone thought I was so smart, and it got me nowhere.

    Trying to reverse that trend personally is a big part of why I joined Project Mojave, and though I still consider myself "between dayjobs," I'm kind of working under the pretense that I can keep doing my part-time gig (which is serious fun) while I build a real business. Honestly, if I end up never going back to full-time work, I'll be way better off than I was just being everyone's smart friend.

    Of course, I'm not there yet. I don't have a site up, a list, or much more than an outline on my first product, but after talking to you a few days ago, I've got way more direction and a bit of fire under my ass to get it going.

    (Side note regarding irony: You should read David Foster Wallace's work, especially his essay on TV and irony - it made me rethink my whole relationship with the world.)
  • Clay Collins · 7 months ago
    Nice. I should check out David Foster Wallace. Thanks for the recommendation.
  • Jonathan Mead · 7 months ago
    Oh one more thing Clay. You did change my life by all the awesome points you made at the Growing Life.

    I think opening peoples eyes to different ways of seeing things is the pretense for the shit you're doing here. You have to have the awareness and mindset for liberation, before it's manifested for you (that sounds so ridiculous, but it's really not).

    So I think these two things can work together, as long as people aren't just sitting around at a fucking congratulations party of "here, here, good point."

    That eternal mindsuck must be assimilated.
  • Clay Collins · 7 months ago
    Jonathan, you're right. I mean this. I think you're right and I'm wrong about this. And the very fact that you're right about this is the reason why I'm so fucking stoked about working with you. I'm really glad that we're going to (1) create the awareness and mindset for liberation, and (2) help make it happen.

    "That eternal mindsuck must be assimilated." . . . couldn't agree more.
  • Mike Stankavich · 7 months ago
    OK, so now you're role modeling and leading the revolution instead of just ranting about it. That looks a hell of a lot like growth to me. And Jonathan is right, you have to feel it in your gut to get out there and lead the charge.

    Some days I miss TGL too, but I think PM will have a greater long term effect.
  • Clay Collins · 7 months ago
    You know what, Mike. Some days I really miss TGL as well. One of my favorite things in the world is and was, writing the blog. When the time is right, that blog might come back. But in due time. :-)
  • Charlie Gilkey · 7 months ago
    I'm with Jonathan on this one - TGL routinely made me think about what I was writing and doing, and the content was worth reading, sharing, and replying to. You'd think with all the productivity and personal development blogs, that'd be the norm, but sadly, it isn't.

    I see us all working in the same areas, really. Before people will manifest themselves, they have to see that they've swallowed one pill or the other.

    Do I miss TGL? You bet. But you're doing the work that makes you come alive here and that's what matters to me.

    Also: real revolutionaries stand in the streets. There's no real dichotomy between getting people to think and getting them to act.
  • LaurelKillough · 7 months ago
    Yes. The Growing Life was one of my favorite blogs and I don't think I would have signed up for Project Mojave if I hadn't found you first at Growing Life. From others comments I think I might not be the only one. I almost didn't sign up for Project Mojave but I'm so so glad I did.
  • Clay Collins · 7 months ago
    I'm really glad you did, too. I'll always feel nostalgic for The Growing Life. Falling in love for the first time is a good metaphor. Thanks for the nice comment.
  • curiousjessica · 7 months ago
    I have to agree with Jonathan: "as long as people aren't just sitting around at a fucking congratulations party of "here, here, good point."
  • Malcolm · 7 months ago
    Ummm.... the post isn't quite ironic, but something doesn't quite make sense.

    I totally agree with your idea that we should all follow our dreams, but I'm not quite sure how this would work: " a world where every person can be their own boss and secure – at the very minimum – an $80K+ income while working from home".... Unless we make some awesome awesome robots that take care of all of the dirty work, then where will the food and commercial products come from? People can't be making them if they work at home.

    What we truly need is for everybody to realize that life does not have to be as hectic as we make it, and then we can all work 3-4 hour days but enough will still happen because demand will be lower.

    My two cents.
  • Clay Collins · 7 months ago
    I agree. Go see my mission statement now.
  • Malcolm · 7 months ago
    Ahhh... that's more reasonable. It's refreshing to see how flexible, adaptable and reasonable you are. Many people (including myself on occasion) would just argue their original opinion to to death.
  • Clay Collins · 7 months ago
    Heh... I know a good point when I see one :-).
  • Malcolm · 7 months ago
    I'm actually not sure why I read your blog – I'm in high school. I guess I just want to keep up on the possibilities of how not to get trapped in a cubicle for my whole life.
  • Eric · 7 months ago
    Don't forget that working for someone else could be a step along the way to your dream.
  • Clay Collins · 7 months ago
    It could be, but that's not my mission.
  • Duff · 7 months ago
    You still sound revolutionary to me. There is a time for figuring out and stating your ideas, and a time to act on them. Everyone has a somewhat different way of doing that.

    I've also--for the time being--stopped writing and podcasting and Twittering so much, because I've been doing the thing instead of talking about the thing. The thing isn't necessarily entrepreneurship for me right now, but it is following my own path wherever it leads.

    Keep on following your bliss, Clay,
    ~Duff
  • Clay Collins · 7 months ago
    You are one hell of a life coach. Seriously people, Duff is the real deal. And one hell of a guy.
  • Jared Goralnick · 7 months ago
    I think you've shifted topics, but all your stuff is good, Clay. Ironic or not, we still love you.
  • Clay Collins · 7 months ago
    Jared, you're such a good fucking friend. I mean that.
  • Marcos · 7 months ago
    Ancient Taoist used to say "you don't judge a dog by the way they bark". So who cares about making good points or not... You are changing the lives of a bunch of people right now. Its too soon to evaluate the impact of project mojave but I think it will be huge.

    I just can't imagine the joy of the children when , with your help, their parents start finally doing something they love! It most be like Christmas everyday for them! What your doin is great Clay just keep goin!
  • Clay Collins · 7 months ago
    Thank you SO MUCH for this Marcos. Just thank you.
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  • Clay Collins · 7 months ago
    I totally agree.
  • kiwimeg · 7 months ago
    There is something to be said for a well-written, thought provoking argument. We need people out there making great points and stimulating discussion. Its inspiring, and exciting and can lead our thoughts in directions we wouldn't have taken them to alone.

    I'd be willing to bet that more than a few people were inspired to action by your writings - and without spending that time getting your ideas out there you may never have met some of the people that are inspiring you to action today.

    But you are right, passionate discussion is all very well. But sooner or later you need to roll up your sleeves and get to work creating change.

    Doesn't mean you can't make the odd salient point here and there though ;)
  • Clay Collins · 7 months ago
    "And without spending that time getting your ideas out there you may never have met some of the people that are inspiring you to action today."

    You're totally right about this. It was the beginning of everything. Now I'm getting all nostalgic.
  • Evan · 7 months ago
    I think it is possible to provide not just good points but meet others and give experience.

    Argument doesn't lead to change but experience can.

    This isn't so much a happy medium as a higher integration.

    I don't think it is easy to do or frequent, but I do think it is possible.
  • Clay Collins · 7 months ago
    These are wise words, Evan. --> "This isn't so much a happy medium as a higher integration."
  • dragushan · 7 months ago
    I've enjoyed your revolutionary stuff a LOT Clay, and I think you're making the right move. Maybe the right balance is to DO (vs "convince") most of the time, but every once in awhile *BAM!* pull out some of that revolutionary zeal and knock it out of the park.

    Keep it up.
  • Clay Collins · 7 months ago
    I like *BAM!* Maybe I'll create a new blog category called "BAM!" and then every once in a while publish to it. Every post could start with "BAM!: Why ____ Is Bullshit"
  • Maarten Elout · 7 months ago
    As far as I can feel into this they're all necessary (r)evolutionary stepping stones: the good points made you visible, being visible created platform, platform created the conditions needed for the next step: Mojave... and so it continues.

    All of the expressions of all previous steps made a positive difference in people's lives. One is not better or more needed than the other: they're all an expression of who you are at any given moment in your own (r)evolution...

    Still changing the world into a better place and doing it from your heart.

    What else could you possibly do!?
  • patrickrhone · 7 months ago
    I guess I kind of understand the overall point of this post. That said, I think you are giving yourself far less credit for your impact than you deserve to make the simple point of saying "less talking, more doing". And while I would agree that talk without action is cheap, I would argue that the words you provide has a tremendous amount of value for the very actions that they inspire in others.

    In other words, keep talking and writing. Remind people that the most valuable non-replenishable resource in life is time, and freedom is really about increasing the value of that.
  • Daniel Richard · 7 months ago
    I wonder how's it like being a revolutionary. Which is better? Having to work with great individuals on something greater (and putting food on their tables) or being a revolutionary without knowing who's those people who're following?

    Oh yeah Clay, maybe ya not making good points very often recently, but the posts are still totally valuable. :)
  • morgenkaffee · 7 months ago
    i really like your discussions in the comments and want to leave you a "Quote of the Day" from my email inbox:

    The world cares little about what a man or woman knows;
    it is what the man or woman is able to do that counts!
    - Booker T. Washington (1856 - 1915)

    I think its perfect for your decision, isnt it?
  • emily-sarah · 7 months ago
    Good point. I agree with the others who said you're not giving yourself enough credit for your impact. Thanks for sharing this! (And I love your mission statement.)
  • SatyaColombo · 7 months ago
    Ahh Clay - you are brilliant! I'm so totally in agreement with you - that's why i never went nuts on my happiness project movie blog and it's why i'm so excited to actually provide information that can REALLY make an impact on people's lives (forthcoming on that one).

    Thanks for the intro to Laura Roeder, by the way, love that girl! That might actually push me to join the next round of project mojave - speaking of which - why all the secrecy around that? I want to know more! Cheers
  • Kent @ Financial Philosopher · 7 months ago
    Clay: You are actually articulating the essence of "non-being." Once you realize that you are nothing, you are really something. The idea of non-being is rooted in Taoism but some more recent philosophers, such as George Hegel, have written about being and non-being.

    Hegel would say that the highest form of reality is not "being" but it is "becoming." Becoming is the process of moving from being (something) toward non-being (nothing).

    I may have shared this quote with you before, but it expresses the idea of and meaning of becoming (the synthesis or process of moving from being to non-being):

    "You spent the first half of your life becoming somebody. Now you can work on becoming nobody, which is really somebody. For when you become nobody there is no tension, no pretense, no one trying to be anyone or anything. The natural state of the mind shines through unobstructed -- and the natural state of the mind is pure love." Ram Dass
  • @hdbbstephen on Twitter · 7 months ago
    Hi Clay, it has been very exciting for me to watch you grow and see the things that you have done. I still remember those loooong chats we had last year and how we said things were going to be different a year from now.

    How freaking awesome is this!

    I am looking forward to see what you and Patrick Rhone are coming up with, I keep seeing those enigmatic Tweets...
  • jadebarclay · 7 months ago
    Clay, you are just as revolutionary now as you ever were... even just by being a beacon of authenticity and fresh perspective in a sea of repackaged rebranded snack-oil. There's a time for looking at the world and calling 'bullshit' and there's a time for taking concrete action to change it... at least for a few people... and then a few more. And I'm glad you recognise what it's time for, and don't try to hold on too long.

    -- Jade (totally blessed for knowing you, and totally grateful to be writing this inspired and healthy and on a kick-ass team in Bali, which is a helluva different place than where I was when I first read TGL)
  • Jared | SpiritualZen.net · 6 months ago
    I know more good than I'm willing to do